E-Gobrecht
Stepping back in time to a bygone era of the Liberty Seated coin design period, both far and wide, and a little before & after...
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A nice AU 1852 Liberty Seated Dollar (obverse) from John Frost for your ‘haunted’ enjoyment.
by Jeff Pritchard, LSCC #1759
As October 31st approaches, collectors best heed the horrifying demons that prey upon the unsuspecting in the dark hours of All Hallow’s Eve. Beware them all.
Gradeflation Goblins: Parasitic vampires that very, very, very slowly suck the lifeblood from their victims. Invisible to all but the oldest collectors. It is rumored these creatures originally escaped from the laboratories of Third Party Graders conducting gain-of-function research.
Haunting Hoards: These merciless beasts periodically surface to blow-up coin populations, mockingly turning high-price rarities into common fodder. They inhabit the vicinities of New Orleans and San Francisco.
Bad Strike Zombies: These living dead forever walk the realm between life and death, unable to escape from eternal damnation. They seduce novice collectors with a mask of high numerical grades. These zombies make appearances in auctions over, and over, and over again, moving from one tortured collector to the next.
Creeping Counterfeits: Swamp-dwelling creatures that prey upon the weakest of the weak. Able to breed in collectors possessing even a hint of greed. Often exhibit a bright golden hue. Can only be killed by repeatedly chanting “too good to be true,” or by driving a spectrometer through their heart.
Hapless Heirs: A wolf in sheep’s clothing. This poltergeist takes the form of naïve offspring who take great joy in selling priceless rarities for bullion value. A demon that takes shape after a collector’s passing.
Sales Tax Specter: This dark contagion may remain dormant for decades only to rise from the grave to gruesomely consume innocent coin dealers. A species prone to mutation as every state has its own deadly strain.
Happy Halloween!
: Reverse of the William Barber so-called "Broken Column" medal (featuring the bust of Lincoln on the obverse) referring to Lincon's assassination. This medal commemorates a sad moment in U.S. history. (Image thanks to John Frost)
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President’sMessage
Welcome to the October E-Gobrecht. As always, thanks are due to Paul Kluth for compiling our monthly offering of all things Liberty Seated. We are just coming off the new Chicago show organized by Larry Shepherd and headed toward the Baltimore Whitman show in a few short weeks. The year moves quickly!
While we can all wish that Santa will bring a few Liberty Seated delicacies for Christmas, it’s more likely that they will appear in your collection if you visit a few shows, and build connections with dealers and other collectors. Here’s hoping the Fall brings such additions to your Liberty Seated collection, and we will see you again next month.
…Len Augsburger
Editor’s‘ViewFromtheRim
What’s Next?… PK
Well you never know in this day and age!
Recently, we’ve been talking about ‘before’ and ‘after the storm’. The hurricanes have certainly not subsided yet for the tropical storm season, and it doesn’t seem like earthquakes, floods, and forest fires are becoming any less frequent either. Even the U.S. Congress seems to be having its stormy season… I mean ‘session’, almost daily now.
And I was actually talking about the ANA Summer Convention as a storm of exciting numismatic activities for Liberty Seated collectors and other collectors back in August.
Guess what? We’ve got the nation’s 250th Anniversary Celebration coming up in 2026! Have you figured out how to pronounce the Semiquincentennial yet (like an every day word)?
It’s going to be We the People… time! Time to be patriotic and remember what America stands for! Time to remember not to repeat the ‘past’. We learn from our history because we are an educated nation of free people that should never forget how we got here and how we survived so much adversity (actually over 250 years) in order to preserve our democracy and freedoms.
The coins we collect and especially the Liberty Seated design series are all symbols of where we’ve been, what we have endured and where we should still be headed!
Now let’s go trick or treating, and enjoy the rest of October!
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An 1870-S Dollar Appears
The Curious Collector
by Len Augsburger, LSCC #1271
This & That: San Francisco Version
On September 18, I visited Russ Bega at Harlan Berk Rare Coin in downtown Chicago. The obvious attraction was the F.C.C Boyd example of the 1870-S Liberty Seated dollar, which is currently on the market at $275k. At one time the initials “FHI” were engraved on the obverse and were subsequently removed. The reverse is a decent XF/AU and reasonably original. This is the only example that is “relatively” affordable, with most of the other pieces residing in straight-graded holders. Nine examples total are well-documented, while rumors of a couple other pieces exist.
This coin is well known to LSCC’ers as being from the Mark & Stephen Petty Seated dollar collection, which was sold by Legend Auctions in July 2022. Dick Osburn, Brian Cushing, and John Frost reported in Gobrecht Journal #128 that the obverse die for this coin originated in Carson City –the only case of two branch Mints sharing a die that I am aware of.
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An 1870-S Dollar Does Not Appear
The September 23, 2025 edition of Numismatic News included an advertisement for an 1870-S quarter, graded XF/Cleaned and residing in a PCGS Genuine holder. Priced at $700, I quickly dismissed the idea that it was a genuine 1870-S quarter. However, I thought it might be an 1871-S quarter in a mislabeled holder. Worth $700 just as a curiosity, right? I thought so. Alas, a quick check of the company website (Integrity Coin Store) revealed the coin in question was an 1870-S half dollar.
Views from the San Francisco Mint
The old San Francisco Mint is today operated as an event space, with some interior rooms restored. Construction of this building began in 1869 and completed in 1874. It remained in operation until 1937, when it was replaced by the current San Francisco Mint building. A well-known bit of trivia is that this was one of the few structures to survive the 1906 earthquake and subsequent fire. A couple images from their website are on the next page:
(https://thesanfranciscomint.com/)
Definitely the venue of choice for an LSCC area meeting!
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Old San Francisco Mint Building constructed in 1869-1874
Regional News
by Ken Otto, Regional Team Director, LSCC #2674
Fall Has Arrived and Will Bring a Bounty of Coin Shows
Thefallseasonhasbegunacrossmostofthecountrywithturningleavesandthestart ofthefootballseason. SeveralimportantRegionalcoinshowswilloccurinOctoberandthe LSCCplanstoparticipatein5differentcoinshowsduringthemonth.
TheWhitmanBaltimoreExpowillfollowinearlyNovember. Asweapproachthelast fewmonthsof2025,theoverallstrengthoftherarecoinmarketappearstobefairlystrong andtheLSCCremainsveryvisibleatcoinshows.
Firstisfollow-uptorecentcoinshowstheLSCChasparticipatedin:
TheLSCCRegionalteamparticipatedintheMissouriNumismaticAssociationShow whichwasheldJuly17-19attheSt.CharlesConventionCenter,1ConventionPlaza,St. Charles,MO63303. TheClubtablewashostedbyEdTerneus. Ed’sreportfollowswiththe photofromtheshow:
“Theshowwaswell-attendedandabout1,500peopleattendedtheshowover3days. I(Ed) gaveoutClubinformationtoaround8potentialLSCCmembers. Twocollectorswereinterestedin theBarberCoinCollectorsSocietyandsaidthattheywouldsignuptotheBCCSathome. Several LSCCmembersvisitedtheboothincludingShaunfromArkansasandCraigEberhart(LSCCVP)from NewMexico. EdTerneusandhissonareshownattheLSCCtableinthepicturebelow.”
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AnewcoinshowinRosemont,ILwasputoninSeptemberbytheGreatAmericanCoin &Collectiblesgroup. TheshowwasconductedattheDonaldE.StephensConventionCenter, 5555N.RiverRoad,Rosemont,ILduringSeptember23-27,2025. Thisshowwasverylarge, andlocatedinafamiliarandconvenientlocationnearChicagoO’HareAirport. Weunderstandthattherewereover350tablessoldwithadditionalroomforgrowthinthefuture. LenAugsburgerandKenOttoattendedthefirstdayoftheforthepublicandhadapositive impressionoftheshow. WewilllookintothepossibilityofsettingupaLSCCtableatthis eventin2026. Aviewoftheboursefloorisshowninthepicturebelow.
Regional News cont.
AlateadditionfromtheANAConventioninAugustwastheAnnualMeetingofthe BarberCoinCollectorsSociety(BCCS)whichparticipatesalongsidetheLSCCatmostmajor coinshowswiththeirownclubtableandbanner. Sometimesthesametableissharedat smallerlocalshows. Oftentheyhavetheirownclubmeetingscheduledatadifferenttime duringthedayalsowithaninterestingeducationalprogram. AswiththeLSCC,their meetingsarealwaysopentocoinshowvisitorswhoarenotclubmembers. Itisalwaysabout theenjoymentoflearningaboutandcollectingtheU.S.BarberSeries,andothercoinsand medalsdesignedbyU.S.MintEngraverCharlesBarber.
AsreportedbyPresidentJohnFrost,the2025AnnualMeetingwasheldonWednesday morning,August20thduringtheconvention. Theturnoutwasverygoodwith22inattendance. AswiththeLSCC,theBCCShasitsownannualliteraryandpublicationawardswhich werepresentedduringthemeeting.
Withoutadoubt,thisisanotherspecialtyclubinthehobbythatiswell-run,informative,lotsofsocialfun,andwith4quarterlyJournalissuespublishedinfullcoloronglossy paper. Certainlywellworththemodestannualmembershipdues.
Regional News cont.
Upcoming Coin Show Events for the LSCC (Some events include the BCCS too)
TheLSCCRegionalteamplanstoparticipateintheNorthCarolinaNumismatic Association(NCNA)CoinShowtobeheldOctober3-5attheCabarrusArena&Events Center,4751Hwy49North,Concord,NC28205. JohnLundsten,KenOttoandpossibly otherswillhosttheClubtable.
TheLSCCteamplanstoparticipateintheDenverCoinExpotobeheld October8-11attheNationalWesternComplex,4655HumboltStreet,Denver,CO 80216. KeithPooleandKenOttowillhosttheClubtable.
TheLSCCRegionalteamplanstoparticipateinthePennsylvaniaAssociationof Numismatists(PAN)FallCoinShowtobeheldOctober16-18attheMonroeville ConventionCenter,209MallBlvd.,Monroeville,PA15146. JohnFrostandGreg JohnsonwillhosttheClubtable.
TheLSCCteamplanstoparticipateintheNewHampshireCoin&CurrencyExpo tobeheldOctober23-25attheDoubletreebyHiltonManchesterDowntown,700Elm Street,Manchester,NH03101. JoeCasazzaandJohnFrostwillhosttheClubtable.
TheLSCCRegionalteamplanstoparticipateintheSouthCarolinaNumismatic AssociationShowtobeheldOctober31-November2attheGreenvilleConvention Center,1ExpositionDrive,Greenville,SC29607. JohnLundstenandotherswillhost theClubtable.
TheRegionalLSCCteamwillalsohaveamajorpresenceattheWhitmanWinter BaltimoreExpoonNovember6-8attheBaltimoreConventionCenter(HallsA,B&C), OneWestPrattStreet,Baltimore,MD21201. Thisisamajorfallnationalshowinthe mid-Atlantic. WewillhaveaClubmeetingat9AMonFriday,November7th. TheClub tablewillbehostedbyJohnFrost,DennisFortier,JoeCasazza,KenOttoandothers.
ACollector’s Exhibit on Liberty Seated Coins (Part I)
by Steve D'Ippolito, LSCC #2294
At the ANA World’s Fair Of Money, I entered a Collector’s Exhibit titled “An Overview of Liberty Seated Coinage,” and that’s exactly what I strove to deliver over the span of 10 display cases (the maximum allowed). The Collector’s Exhibits are competitive, with class and best-ofshow awards awarded by judges, and the People’s Choice award given to the exhibit that gets the most votes from the public who visit the Collector’s Exhibits area.
As it happened the exhibit was 42 feet (my feet, paced heel to toe) away from the LSCC table. That was convenient!
I won the “US Coins” class award with one of the class judges telling me later that it was one of the three best exhibits he had ever seen. A different judge was practically raving with approval in his comments (these were in writing). However, the best-of-show judges didn’t see it that way (they have limited time and may not have read it), so I did not even place for best of show. I am a three-time best-of-show winner and have judged both class and best-of-show levels, so I think I can knowledgeably say I should have been a contender; I was doing things to appeal to the bestof-show judging criteria. And others said so too.
However, I got a very pleasant surprise. LSCC Club members really enjoyed the exhibit and there were times I could look over towards it and see three people reading the thing, and every one of them was wearing an LSCC lanyard. One thing that irritates people is a subject they love exhibited poorly, so that either meant three votes for People’s Choice, or it didn’t!
At the very end of the show, People’s Choice is announced. I wasn’t terribly optimistic because I had heard that one of the local club members was bringing all of his friends, neighbors, and pets in to vote for his exhibit (OK, “pets” was an exaggeration). But in the end, the LSCC plus others put me over the top and for the first time in my life, I won the People’s Choice award. Thank you all! I had a lot of difficulty and last-minute snafus putting the thing together but I managed to overcome them all and it was worth it!
I believe (regardless of the judges) that it is the best exhibit I ever put together.
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So here is the exhibit. I’m going to present a photograph of a case, and then the text (and coins) below the photo. There’s a “main flow” of narrative, some “sidebars” (on topics like type collecting, mint engravers, etc.), and of course the descriptions of the individual coins. I’ll put the sidebars in italics to make them conspicuous; you can skip over them and come back to them if you don’t want to interrupt the main flow.
I already know of one mistake, and it’s at the very end where I list references. There is a book on Liberty Seated dollars, and just to prove that, I bought a copy at the show.
Case 1
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In 1836, during the last full year of the Andrew Jackson administration, a new motif for US silver coinage was being prototyped. Over the next few years, all of our US coinage would be changed over to the new Liberty Seated style - they even brought the silver dollar back from retirement in 1840!
Sixty five years later, at the end of 1891 and during the Benjamin Harrison administration, Liberty Seated coins came to an end.
During the intervening time, America started as a backwater, then built much infrastructure including railroads and canals; its population grew from approximately 15 million to 64 million (well over 20 percent per decade); and it more than doubled in area, coming to include the territory in every present-day state except Hawaii. Along the way, we fought the Mexican American war and of course the Civil War.
Then we had an explosion of invention and industry that made us the largest economy in the world - a position we have held ever since.
We went from 25 states in 1836 to 44 in 1891.
The Liberty Seated coinage carried us - and we carried it in our pockets and purses -through all of this history.
And the Liberty Seated coinage itself has a rich and complex history reflecting the monetary crises we went through. Through this type collection assembled over eleven years, we will explore that history.
My Approach
If you flip through almost any reference of US coinage, you will see coins grouped together by denomination, then listed in chronological order within those groups. Looking through the Liberty Seated coins for one denomination, you’ll see about half a dozen varieties. Look at another denomination, and you’ll see a similar number of varieties there as well. There will be some differences in the list of varieties (unless you compared quarters and half dollars). It’s honestly, a bit overwhelming. For reference books, this way of doing things makes the most sense, but it’s hard to see the overall picture.
Instead, I’m going to show you the different denominations side by side. The coins will be grouped chronologically, not by denomination, so you can see the broader picture of how Liberty Seated coinage developed. And doing it this way will help tie it in with the broader sweep of American history.
Since I am covering all denominations simultaneously, I decided to name and number the varieties differently from any other reference. This way “Variety 3” (for example) means the same thing (“with drapery”) for every denomination, even if it happens to be the first variety that exists for some specific denomination (e.g., the dollar).
To avoid confusing “my” varieties with, say, Liberty Seated dime varieties given in The Red Book, I call my varieties “Liberty Seated Series Varieties” to indicate that they span all denominations in the series. Again, they won’t necessarily have either names or numbers corresponding to the ones in The Red Book.
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Christian Gobrecht
Christian Gobrecht designed every coin in this exhibit except for the 20 cent piece and the Trade Dollar. Some modifications were made subsequently by others (in particular in 1860 for the dime and half dime); they will be noted as we get to them.
Born December 17, 1785, he filled in as engraver at the Mint in 1823 while the mint searched for a permanent Chief Engraver; they hired William Kneass in early 1824. Subsequently the Mint often contracted with Gobrecht for engraving medals during the 1820s and 1830s, and he also made number and letter punches used in engraving dies.
Gobrecht was both an artist and an inventor; one invention was a medal-ruling machine which reproduced relief on a flat surface.
Kneass suffered a debilitating stroke in 1835 and Gobrecht was hired as Second Engraver - he became the Chief Engraver in all but name. When the Mint considered changing the designs of silver coinage that year, Gobrecht was the right man in the right place at the right time.
Gobrecht became the Mint’s third Chief Engraver in 1840 and served until his death in July, 1844. His designs outlived him; not only did the Liberty Seated series last until 1891, his Liberty Head design used on the 2½, 5 and 10 dollar gold pieces was used until 1908!
Gobrecht was succeeded by James B. Longacre.
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1836 Original Gobrecht Dollar
PCGS PR62
Mintage: 1000
Survivors: 600-750 total exist today, roughly 200 or so PF60 and above.
416 gr (26.956 g) of 1485/1664 (~.8924) fine silver, ASW 0.773 ozt.
Die Alignment I (coin turn, eagle climbing)
Diameter 39-40 mm Plain edge
This coin is Die Alignment I, thus as far as I know is indisputably an original strike even given recent research and controversy.
This is the only coin shown here that is not .900 fine; at the beginning of 1837 (just in time for the regular Liberty Seated coinage) the fineness was increased to 0.900 fine by removing 3.5 grains of copper per dollar’s worth of coins while leaving the net amount of silver unchanged.
Liberty Seated Series Prototype
Gobrecht Dollar
Dollar: 1836–1839
It starts here! The first use of the Liberty Seated design was the US Mint’s work in 1836 on a new dollar engraved by Christian Gobrecht and now known by his name to collectors. These coins were struck to nearly proof standards but then released into circulation, so I have included one in my type set which otherwise consists of “business strikes.”
This coin is (almost!) unique among American silver issues in having a plain, smooth edge. The obverse depicts Liberty seated with shield and liberty cap on a pole, the basic motif that would be used on all Liberty Seated coinage. Here, though, Gobrecht’s name appears on the base. The reverse shows an eagle surrounded by 26 stars (Michigan’s admission as the 26th state was (Continued on next page)
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imminent), flying upward and to the left. Or does it?
The Gobrecht dollar is complex, largely due to differing die alignments. When a modern US coin is turned over on its vertical axis, the reverse is upside-down. This is called “coin turn” or “coin alignment.” The opposite case where the reverse is right-side-up instead, is called “medal turn.” This is a 180° rotation of the reverse die. Inadvertent die rotations of all angles did occur in the 19th century, but usually coin turn is intended.
Gobrecht dollars exist in coin and medal turn, as well as others, and this was deliberate! Here, coin turn is called “Alignment I” and medal turn, “Alignment II.” There are two more resulting from making the eagle fly level: Alignment III is close to coin turn but has a slight rotation to level the eagle. Alignment IV is close to medal turn, but with added rotation to level the eagle.
We know the eagle was originally meant to be flying upwards, not level, because that position renders the legend symmetric with One Dollar and UNITED STATES OF AMERICA centered.
It was once believed that only the Alignment I 1836 Gobrecht dollars were actually made that year, but research about a decade ago by Dannreuther, Teichman and Sholley has overturned this. They’ve shown by analysis of the degradation of the reverse die that Alignments II and IV were made at various times between groups of Alignment I coins; so only Alignment III isn’t original. The Alignment III coins were made decades later with a cracked reverse die; the crack is obvious since it runs through STATES.
Another “1836” variation with Gobrecht’s name below the base are later “total fabrications” according to the same team.
According to mint records, in March 1837, 600 more examples - possibly with a reeded edgewere struck but subsequently destroyed. One reeded edge example is known today; we cannot be certain whether this is a survivor of that run, or struck as a trial in response to complaints about the smooth edge, or…?
Later versions of Gobrecht dollars with 13 stars on the obverse and the eagle in a plain field were made in 1838 (as patterns) and then 300 more for circulation in 1839.
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#249 - October 2025
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LSCC 2025 Regional Events Calendar ***
October 3-5 North Carolina Numismatic Association (NCNA Coin Show, Cabarrus Arena & Events Center, Concord, NC - Club table hosted by John Lunsten, Ken Otto and others.
October 8-11 Denver Coin Expo, National Western Complex, Denver, CO - Club table hosted by Keith Poole and Ken Otto.
October 16-18 Pennsylvania Association of Numismatists (PAN) Fall Coin Show, Monroeville Convention Center, Monroeville (Pittsburgh), PA - Club table hosted by Greg Johnson and John Frost.
October 23-25 New Hampshire Coin & Currency Expo, Doubletree by Hilton Manchester Downtown, Manchester, NH - Club table hosted by Joe Casazza and John Frost.
October 31 - November 2 South Carolina Numismatic Assoc. Show, Greenville Convention Center, Greenville, SC - Club table hosted by John Lundsten & others.
November 6-8 Whitman Baltimore Winter Expo, Baltimore Convention Center (Halls A, B & C), Baltimore, MD - Club meeting on Friday at 9 am with an educational presentation TBD, Club breakfast likely or a dinner, and LSCC/BCCS combined Club tables hosted by many members of both clubs. The BCCS will also have a Club meeting and educational program that same Friday in the afternoon.
*** More event details and addresses of show locations are in Ken Otto’s Regional Report found on page 14. Also see either or both the LSCC/BCCS websites for information and any late changes.
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National Officers
President Leonard Augsburger leonard_augsburger@hotmail.com
Vice President Craig Eberhart craig@eberhart.us
Secretary Jeff Pritchard PO Box 10771, Bainbridge, WA 98110 jjpsr2@gmail.com
Treasurer John Lundsten john.lundsten@yahoo.com
National Positions
The Gobrecht Journal Publication Greg Johnson (Editor/Publisher) lscc@lsccweb.org
E-Gobrecht Monthly Newsletter Paul Kluth (Editor/Publisher) e-gobrecht@msn.com
New Membership Chairman Joe Casazza jsazza236@gmail.com
Education Director John Frost john.frost@doubledimes.com
Advertising Director Jeff Pritchard jjpsr2@gmail.com
Team Leader - Regional Directors Ken Otto kenotto53@gmail.com
Director - Southern Region John Lundsten (email above)
Director - Northeast Region Joe Casazza (email above)
Director - Western Region Open Position
Director - Central Region Dennis Fortier ricajun@msn.com
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