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Featured

Crooked Tine Ranch and Farm – Focused on Unforgettable Experiences

Far North Whitetails – Focused on Raising Healthy and Marketable Deer

Content Advertisers Index.......................................................59 Board of Directors....................................................... 2 Business Cards....................................................37, 42 Event Calendar...........................................................13 Magazine Advertising Information........................58

Keep Your Deer Herd Organized with a Proficient Tagging System

Membership Application.........................................60 Meet the UDFoM Board of Directors............ 23, 24

Breeding for CWD Resistance: How is this done with respect to proven production and marketability?

President’s Letter......................................................... 4 Recipe - Venison Chili...............................................50 Trophy Breeder Buck Showcase............................24

Spreading a Positive Deer Farming Message: Promoting an Industry Understanding

UDFoM 2026 Convention Info........................6-7, 29 UDFoM 2025 Sponsors - Thank You!..............10-11 Whitetail Sales and Auction Events.......................46

WINTER MAGAZINE DEADLINE JANUARY 20th, 2026

BOARD OF OFFICERS President – Ken Brown Pine Ridge Whitetails 117 Ewers Rd. Leslie, MI 49251 Phone: 517-525-4036 prwhitetails@gmail.com

Secretary – Kristi Dalton Iron Mill Whitetails Manchester, MI, 48158 Pone: 734 -637-2318 daltonkristi5@gmail.com

Vice President – Ryan Halfman Black Label Whitetails 10525 Frost Rd. Portland, MI 48875 Phone: 517-281-2936 blacklabelwhitetails@gmail.com

Scholarship Chair--Jason Kanouse Beaver Creek Whitetails 14813 210th Ave LeRoy, MI 49655 Phone: 231-342-9642 jrk8_98@yahoo.com

Treasurer – Tricia Davis UDFOM 3981 E. 46 Rd. Caldilac, MI 49601 Phone: 231-878-2229 (Cell) pedavis69@gmail.com

The Pac Chair – Merle Shepard Buckriver / Buckfalls 9897 Carter Allen Park, MI 48101 Phone: 313-268-1727 scishep@aol.com

Political Chair -- Doug Roberts Conquest Deer Farm 8399 E. Bristol Rd. Phone: 810-241-9554 droberts@conquestdeerfarm.com

Convention Chair - Dr. Anthony Klingler Concord Veterinary Clinic 2495 E Mosherville Rd Jonesville, MI 49250 Phone: 517-227-0517 concordvet04@gmail.com

BOARD OF DIRECTORS Board Member – Mathias Dekker Thunder Bay Whitetails, LLC 23825 Rea Rd. Hillman, MI 49746 Phone: 989-415-6201 mathiasdekker@gmail.com

Board Member -- Mason Rickle PR2 Whitetails 163 Ewers Rd. Leslie, MI 49251 Phone: 517-525-4295 pr2whitetails@gmail.com

Board Member - Nate Tacoma Raise ‘Em Up Whitetails, LLC 7814 88th Ave. Zeeland, MI 49464 Phone: 616-283-8154 nate.reuwhitetails@gmail.com

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From President Ken Brown Hello to all. To say the summer flew by is an absolute understatement! The past several months have been very trying on ones sole. In years past my wife, Casey, and I have been lucky enough to avoid the wrath of this devastating little bug called a midge. We have stood by watching friends and fellow members suffering the loss of the animals, sometimes considered to be pets, and have felt sorrow for them but did not fully understand their pain. Well I am saddened to say that we have joined the ranks of those that have been affected by this invasive bug. We lost four of our best does that were all bottle fed babies. Now we know the pain that others have been enduring for all this time. We at PR Whitetails pray for everyone that has suffered losses as well of those that have not. I had mentioned in the last magazine that we should have some updates for you from the Capitol but with the recent budget issues our meetings have been pushed back. We hopefully will have an update by the next edition. The board has been working hard to put together our 2026 March convention at Eagle Eye Golf and Banquet. You can reserve your hotel room by calling Courtyard by Marriott Lansing at 877-504-1572. Discounted rooms are listed under United Deer Farmers of Michigan. There is a second hotel choice and that is Fairfield by Marriott Inn & Suites Lansing at Eastwood. Their number is 517-374-6500. Again discounted rooms are under United Deer Farmers of Michigan. If you have any questions please reach out. Thank you God Bless Ken Brown President United Deer Farmers of Michigan

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FEATURE STORY CROOKED TINE RANCH AND FARM – FOCUSED ON UNFORGETTABLE EXPERIENCES By: Gail Veley When Bob Randolph and his son Ryan commit to something, it’s always 100 percent. To that end, they are realizing just to what extent their deer farm, Crooked Tine Farm, northeast of Lansing, Michigan, and their hunting ranch, Crooked Tine Ranch, located in Bitely, Michigan are thriving. Both big hunters and big farmers at heart, Bob and Ryan are committed to raising the most healthy, hearty and typical racked deer possible and in turn, provide hunters with an experience they will forever cherish and never forget. It all began in 2023. The ranch, nestled within the Manistee National Forest, provides the most deep in the woods authentic hunt any hunter could possibly ask for. There, hunters are graciously accommodated and comfortable inside a cozy lodge situated among 80 acres and wooded terrain and fed homecooked meals by Ryan’s wife, Ashley. “At night all of us sit around the campfire, talking about the day,” Bob said. “With unmistakable enthusiasm, conversations might include ‘what did you see out there ‘ or ‘ how big was it?’ We offer a lifetime experience that most people would never get a chance to have. Our future goal is to be able to offer 30 to 40 hunts each season.” The ability to stock the ranch with high quality, beautiful trophy deer is attributed to the hard work and careful decisions made on the farm, which includes 20 oneacre breeding pens. “Most of our does are bred with A.I. breeding,” Bob, 74 years old, said. “The Number One scare for a deer farmer is the health of the deer. We want resistance, and we want to strive for that and build that resistance against EHD and CWD. We stock the ranch with our offspring and very seldom need to acquire new deer. We want to be self-sustainable and build the best big bodied and heavy typical racked deer we can.” Assisting in these goals are breeding bucks Machine Head and Promise Land, owned by Ryan Halfman of Black Label Whitetails. Promise Land, as a 3-year-old, was 306” with a 45 inch inside spread. In addition to raising the best and most marketable deer possible, both Bob and his son Ryan, who worked many long hours creating both the ranch and farm, want to educate the public about the importance of conservation and the opportunities that lie within both facilities. Plans are in the works to

offer school field trips to the farm along with tours, for an up close and personal experience with fawns, nature and the like. Inspiration to begin the farm and ranch points more to Ryan, who said he was intrigued by the deer farming industry. He found a place that had already been used as a hunting ranch, and Bob provided the means to purchase it. “I had no idea that deer farming and a deer ranch was so labor intensive,” Bob reflected. “I’m grateful to my wife Joann, my son Ryan and my daughter-in-law Ashley who support this dream and who are a very important component to its success. We want to do this the best we can, and we worked and worked to remodel the ranch and devoted our entire attention to it. Ryan took charge as he worked alongside me, and we built all of this together and now we have that as our legacy. I feel very proud of him.” Check out Crooked Tine Ranch at www:crookedtineranch. com for hunting packages and other details.

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FEATURE STORY Far North Whitetails – Focused on Raising Healthy and Marketable Deer By: Gail Veley Kyle Techel and his father Brian of Far North Whitetails in Gaylord, Michigan haven’t bred using A.I. in four years. Since 2014, the year they first began their farm, they have thoughtfully and continuously moved towards creating their own line of healthy, hearty deer from a wide variety of northern genetics. In doing so, they included the likes of Fed Ex, Gladiator II, breeding bucks from Thunder Bay Whitetails, Storms End Whitetails and several more. While they produce both typical and nontypical deer within their 10-acre paradise, they focus more on the breeding end of the industry while also striving for resistance. “Although resistance is a priority, we also want to make sure we grow big and healthy deer,” Kyle said. “We place very high importance on that, too. Hunting preserves that acquire deer from us are very satisfied with the results.” Helping to create the herd that thrives at Far North, which usually numbers close to 60 in the winter and 100 in the summer, was a homegrown deer named Northen Gladiator who was born on the farm in 2017. He was a son of Gladiator II, out of a King Rex doe. As a yearling his 10-point 5 x 5 typical rack measured 180” before he passed away from an antler infection. However, his genetics have been successfully passed down to his sons each year, his first being Northern Storm, who won Second Biggest Typical as a two-year-old at an antler contest at a UDFOM convention, and whose impressive frame echoed a solid breeding decision. “We are using Northern Gladiator’s great grandson now for breeding,” Kyle, 38, said. “And each year it keeps getting better.” Kyle is grateful for the day-to-day management and care given by his father Brian to every deer in the herd and is also thankful for the support of his wife of 11 years, Alivia, as well as the enthusiasm of his young children for deer. Two homegrown bucks later sold as breeders, The Real McCoy and Beckett’s Choice, were named after their two sons, McCoy and Beckett. This coming spring, Kyle plans to let Millie, his four-year-old daughter, name a doe fawn. “Having my family involved is one of my favorite things about deer farming,” Kyle said. “Along with passing down good genetics. I feel that being a smaller farm allows us to be well enough known within the industry yet also stay focused on quality. We really enjoy meeting new people, keeping current clients happy and attending events such as the UDFOM convention. It’s a great venue for seeing everybody face to face, getting updates about issues such as CWD and EHD, and learning about current state guidelines and deer prices. We go every year.” Check out Far North Whitetails on Facebook!

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Meet The UDFOM Board of Directors Mason Rickle Mason Rickle, 31, joined the UDFOM Board of Directors in 2023 and has been hard at work helping with fund raising and attending to legislative matters. He feels very lucky to have been given the chance to go to Washington D.C. and represent Michigan deer farmers and everything they stand for. Having been raised by his father, Tom, a “mountain man” who still embraces the outdoors on every level, Mason spent more time hunting, gathering and canning food growing up, then he ever did inside a grocery store or restaurant. His love of nature resonates today. As the owner of PR2 Whitetails in Leslie, Michigan, he understands the impact of deer farming on an economic and emotional level for everyone involved and feels great pride in representing UDFOM. He is grateful to his father-in-law, Ken Brown, for gifting he and his wife Julie their first deer, so that they could get started on their deer farming journey. When he isn’t busy with his deer, fulfilling his duties for the UDFOM board, operating his stump grinding company or working as a road construction employee, he enjoys spending time with Julie and their daughter Marvella. They are also expecting a son, Wayke, in December.

Nate Tacoma Nate Tacoma, 37, became a member of the UDFOM Board of Directors in 2024 and is proud to be a sound representation for UDFOM. As the owner of Raise ‘Em Up Whitetails in Zeeland, Michigan, he thoroughly enjoys helping fellow deer farmers understand state legislative requirements for operating their farms. Through his travels to Washington D.C., he has gained a strong perspective on the importance of being part of a united front. He understands the significance of knowing firsthand the potential impact of legislation before it is implemented, and how it might affect and shape the industry. In addition to focusing his attention on the UDFOM board or his deer farm, Nate works full time as the General Manager of Industrial Solutions. He also immensely enjoys spending time with his wife Amanda and their three children Krew, 7, Baylor, 4, and Rhetta, who is five months old. Together, they enjoy the farm and also go camping, hunting, fishing and ride on ATVs. Nate is living testimony to the familiar saying “you work hard to play hard.”

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Meet The UDFOM Board of Directors Mathias “Matt” Dekker Mathias “Matt” Dekker, 29, feels deep gratitude to Ryan Halfman for nominating him for a UDFOM board position. He served two years as secretary for the UDFOM board and this past year solely as a board member. He feels it is a privilege to serve and an honor to be voted into his board position, where, like Nate and Mason, he is responsible for fundraising and travelling to Washington D.C. Unlike many deer farmers, however, Matt, owner of Thunder Bay Whitetails in Hillman, Michigan, is a full-time deer farmer and handles dayto-day matters primarily by himself. This further ignites his passion to help all deer farmers, large or small, be able to continue raising deer and doing what they love. He feels it is very important that each UDFOM member participate in the association, and for the state of Michigan to be firmly represented for the strong cervid industry it upholds. He knows that at the end of day, this makes things easier on everyone. In his spare time, Matt enjoys hunting, fishing, golfing and anything outdoor related. He also hopes to be able to carry on his board duties in the upcoming years.

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As your deer herd grows in number, it becomes increasingly more important to keep them organized through the use of ear tags. In a farm setting, ear tags are typically used to help monitor disease, maintain accurate health, movement and sale records, establish potential research protocols and breeding programs. Using specific colored and numbered ear tags could also “help you keep track of which bucks your deer were produced from,” offers Dustin Blosser, manager since 2021 of Woodard Whitetails in Glasgow, Kentucky. “It’s also a very good way to make sure age classes are in order. While each farm has different ways of doing it, it’s important that it’s done accurately.”

makes going through your inventory and finding a deer much faster and easier, Blosser, 26, said. “You don’t realize at first how you might start memorizing tag numbers and which deer are which. Someone rattled off “4012” and I knew what pen this doe was in, and who her parents were right off the top of my head.”

Assessing accurate population trends, survival rates and utilizing proficient management strategies can be several reasons wildlife agencies use ear tags. Tags can come in the form of metal, plastic, scanned electronic identification (EID) tags or even Passive Integrated Transponder (PIT) microchip tags. PIT tags, commonly used by various wildlife agencies, are transplanted under the skin and only activated when a deer passes close by to a specialized antenna and later, accounted for via computer records.

With fawns, smaller, temporary tags are typically attached and subsequently changed out after two months of age for an official farm tag. Blosser recommends using an ear tag clearly visible to the naked eye which can be read in a mere few seconds if necessary. “With our farm tags, the color changes to coincide with the year they were born. We have their number on one side and put our farm name and the sire and dam’s name on the other side. It’s good for farm tours and in letting people know right away about their pedigree. We also use four digits. Tags used this year start with “4” which stands for 2024. With our bucks we put a “B” at the end of the number and attach the tag in their right ear and attach the doe tags in the left ear. It’s really important to pay attention to whether it’s a buck or doe when you’re tagging. Seems like every year we have an intern that gets one or two wrong.”

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that (given there are 26 letters in the alphabet) can span over a much longer interval of time compared to numbers. Each farm ear tag should also be accompanied by a mandatory state “premise I.D.” Department of Agriculture tag. Although both can be placed in the same ear, Blosser recommends putting them in opposite ears to avoid potentially losing both should an ear, for example, get stuck in a fence. Likewise, it’s important to invest in fade resistant and very thick durable tags, as deer tend to chew on them. Adding more minerals to their feed is thought to help prevent this from happening, according to research. Ultimately, an ear tag could help a hunter make a split-second decision, as farm tags get replaced with preserve tags when stocker deer are sold. “If you know what a certain color tag costs, then you can be better prepared when that perfect buck shows up,” Blosser said. “You have the ability to make that splitsecond decision, if need be, and take home the trophy you’ve always wanted.”

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he fastest way to get to negative GEBV’s such as -.3 or -.2 or better, is to use deer that have SS markers and negative GEBV values, offers Ivan Hochstetler of Double H Whitetails, 25-acre deer farm in Mt. Eaton, Ohio. However, proven production and pedigree can also play a huge part in exactly how you arrive at having such a herd. Many deer farmers simply do not own (at this point) quality breeding bucks that are SS with negative GEBV breeding values. Yet it seems “every year a good buck comes out with good markers,” Hochstetler said. “For us, we buy SS semen with negative GEBV values from privately owned farms.” The push to breed for SS markers and negative values and the realization that it was going to become necessary, began about five years ago, Hochstetler believes. Three years ago, things got more

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Daybreak @ 3 believes his decision to preserve pedigree and proven production is a solid one, no matter what the latest trends may be or could become. “At this point I say ‘to each his own’ in finding what works for you and your farm,” he said. “Everyone has their own opinion on what is best for them.” Going forward, Hochstetler feels that currently, “there’s not enough people selling markered does, but as that begins to happen it might be harder to afford to acquire them, especially for the new deer farmer,” he explained. However, while this may or may not prove to be a stumbling block “deer farmers are the solution to CWD and I feel having a reliable markered herd is what we’re all going to need, along with the indisputable proof from NADR that it’s real.”

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1 Tbsp. olive oil 1 yellow onion, diced 2 green bell peppers, diced 1 lb. ground venison 4–5 garlic cloves, minced 2 Tbsp. chili powder 1 Tbsp. cumin 1 tsp. paprika ½ tsp. cinnamon (optional) 1 and ½ tsp. salt ½ tsp. pepper 3 Tbsp. tomato paste 1 tsp. Worchestershire sauce 1 orange, juiced 1 lime, juiced 1 and 1/2 cups venison or beef stock* 28 oz. diced tomatoes, drained 15 oz. black beans, drained and rinsed 15 oz. kidney beans, drained and rinsed

Instructions 1. Begin by heating the olive oil in a large pot over medium heat. 2. Add the onion and peppers and cook until the onions start to brown on the edges, about 5-7 minutes. Then, add the venison and brown. 3. Once the venison is browned add the garlic, chili powder, cumin, paprika, cinnamon, salt, and pepper. Saute for 1-2 minutes and then add the tomato paste. Cook for an additional minute, incorporating the tomato paste. 4. Then, deglaze the pot with Worchestershire sauce, orange juice, and lime juice. Scrape the bottom of the pot and add the stock, tomatoes, and beans. 5. Stir well and bring the chili to a boil. Once boiling, reduce the heat to low, cover partially with a lid and let the pot simmer for at least 30 minutes but up to all day. If you’re cooking longer than an hour, be sure to cover the chili fully with a lid so all of the liquid doesn’t evaporate. 6. Ladle up generous portions, top with your favorite chili toppings, and serve.

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